Hi,

I personally experienced that those websites made with Macromedia Dreamweaver Ultradev/MX are slower then other hand-code website.

I personal feel that udzone (as well as other xxxzone) which made with Dreamweaver Ultradev/MX (I think they are made with, at least) quite slow as compared to others. I am not sure whether this is due to the server (MAXIMUMASP), or not.

Could anyone respond to me regarding this issue? Thanks.

Edited by - ckchin on 12 Jul 2002 15:08:59

Edited by - ckchin on 12 Jul 2002 15:10:02

I think your phrase "compared to others" is kind of vague, first of all. Second, not all "other" sites are 100% dynamic as this site is, affecting loading times.

In my experience, UD/MX has been an amazing tool that along with some skill can create sleek, fast, powerful sites.

(DWMX|IIS5|WXP|ASP/VB)
*Connman21*
www.conncreativemedia.com

Although it is partially correct to assume the tool made is responsible for slow page loads, ultimately, all pages are nothing but text sent to the user and interpreted to load certain items (Flash, Forms, Images, etc.)

Your problem is most likely 2 fold. First in that your connection to the server may be narrowband, in which your upload for requests and your downloads for getting results may be exceptionally slow.

Secondly, more than likely, the Server OS and the method you're using for data access can be a reason for slow responses. Linux boxes are generally faster than WinNT or Win2k boxes, however you'd use programs like ChiliASP for *nix. Your host may have overloaded the server load (many do this rather than purchasing and setting up a new box) If you're using Access Database connections instead of SQL, you may experience slower responses.

The code UD4/DMX makes is actually very VERY optimized. The tool is fantastic for website management and rapid web development. Broaden your scope for what may be faulty and double check on each area to see if that is the culprit.

Aegis Kleais
New Media Web Developer
(DWMX : IIS5.1 : SQL2K : WXP : ASP[VB/JS])

Yes, I agree that Dreamweaver Ultradev/MX is an excellent tools. BUT, what I experienced is that xxxZone is slower than other website, like SitePointsForum.com running using vbulletin borad. They are extremely fast and can be comparable to Yahoo!

Are you using a proxy server?

This seems to be a seperate problem, because, speaking for myself of course, I get rather quick connections. Then again, I have a 1.6MBps dl and a 300Kbps ul <img src=../images/dmxzone/forum/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Aegis Kleais
New Media Web Developer
(DWMX : IIS5.1 : SQL2K : WXP : ASP[VB/JS])

Thanks for reply. The question is not around the proxy server, I think, because I compare 2 sites side by side with same pc, and hence all the "factors" that cause slow connection is irrelevant here. <img src=../images/dmxzone/forum/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don't you think that the ultradev script generated was written to take care of many situations. yes, I agree that this application is excellent, but what I am not like is the script generated is to "many" and if we hand code it, it may be just 20% of the generated codes needed.

At conclusion, the tools is excellent, but the codes generated is "too much" and make the page load slower than hand code one.

Well, UltraDEV is stated as being a "Rapid Web Development Tool" Rapid because it has mad amounts of automation, script writing, and website management. Hand coding will always take longer, have a better chance for failure and may not be a cross-browser compliant as Ultra DEV. But it's always important not to let the tool do all your coding.

I'm learning asp right now, and when I perform a INSERT, I then take a look at the code to see what's being done. Great way to learn info quickly.

Aegis Kleais
New Media Web Developer
(DWMX : IIS5.1 : SQL2K : WXP : ASP[VB/JS])

I have found many ways to shorten the amount of code on my pages after creating a site with UD.

One way in particular is to grab a bunch of the shared code and make includes for them...

(DWMX|IIS5|WXP|ASP/VB)
*Connman21*
www.conncreativemedia.com

Yes. I plan to do this as well. I would like ask after using the repeating codes in include file, do you experience any speed improve significantly?

I would only imagine a slight increase in that the include is cached for the time being.

Aegis Kleais
New Media Web Developer
(DWMX : IIS5.1 : SQL2K : WXP : ASP[VB/JS])